ChrisK OK fair enough i will says its a bit of crossed wires on my part but just one question if wasn't OME's that had it removed why was it removed

Triumphrider In answer to your question Yes its used in every day industry and every port or terminal will ship this fuel.

When did I ever tell you there wasn't a deleted post? I told you it wasn't deleted because the OEM's fear your ground breaking super truck.

ok lets hear it. what type of fuel are you talking about. Do you have the supply chain to end users for this super fuel?

well that depends the fuel we will use will be 100% zero emission on how it is produced, and if the truck delivering it ran on the same fuel it would be the same so yes it would be what we call well to wheel 100% zero emission

ChrisK you have said, In your conveniently deleted post I stated the only way you can do it is with after treatment. does this mean you agree there was a deleted post

You can't take into account the fuel used to produce electricity to charge a battery as a way to claim it as not 100% emission free. If you did, then you are not 100% emission free as the fuel you use has to be processed, in a facility that is using electricity. Then it would have to be transferred by some means , and ultimately delivered in a truck burning fossil fuels. Thus, by your reasoning it makes your system not 100% zero emission either.

ChrisK

well it would depend on what equipment you are using this system would fit quite well into a standard 3 ton forklift, as for cost like i have said before if your were to say a 3 ton Diesel would cost $25,000 , 3 ton lithium iron $38,000 and a 3 ton Hydrogen $53,000 a 3 ton forklift with this system would be around $34,000 lower than both other alternatives for zero emission. and like i have said if you take into account the fossil fuel emissions to produce the electric then a lithium iron forklift is not 100% zero emission.

Now we are working on the larger forklift were the price comparison is larger and the performance level of an electric forklift is much lower than a diesel, Our system has the same level or better performance as a diesel truck. but we will be lower priced than the electric alternative

ChrisK

well it would depend on what equipment you are using this system would fit quite well into a standard 3 ton forklift, as for cost like i have said before if your were to say a 3 ton Diesel would cost $25,000 , 3 ton lithium iron $38,000 and a 3 ton Hydrogen $53,000 a 3 ton forklift with this system would be around $34,000 lower than both other alternatives for zero emission. and like i have said if you take into account the fossil fuel emissions to produce the electric then a lithium iron forklift is not 100% zero emission.

Now we are working on the larger scale forklift were the price comparison is larger and the performance level of an electric forklift is much lower than a diesel, Our system has the same level or better performance as a diesel truck. but we will be lower priced than the electric alternative

In your conveniently deleted post I stated the only way you can do it is with after treatment. Exactly as swoop said, you aren't using (or doing) anything new. You will find out, the reason it's not done in mass is because it is expensive, and takes up quite a bit of space to put that much equipment on a lift.

Basically yes you are write, its just the fuel we will use has a lower nox emission than both Diesel and LPG or CNG and by adding a bit of after treatment we can make them 100% zero emission.

This could work on any IC engine and has been shown to work many times over.

Now im sure some one is going to knock this and look that's fine because thats what makes these discussion interesting and not boring

ok so your using a catalyst system that is already on the market.
that's nothing new
diesel and some other gas/lpg engines have been using this tech for years now
so with that being said i will assume you've taken this type system and tweaked it to suit your need and added an extra process to get that zero emission.
may i assume it's similar to the diesel exhaust fluid system and particulate filter system being used today? that you guys have figured out a way to make it more efficient?

ok fair enough :o)

Triumphrider, I don't know about Honda IC engines but their Hydrogen fuel cell is the best by far in the market. What we do is we use the after treatment to eliminate the emissions. The engine produces very low emissions nearly zero about 96% lower than a diesel engine and with some after treatment it goes to 100% zero emission. Thats why i call it a 100% zero emission engine

Heat , IE thermal energy, is the key to producing any type of power in any type of engine. The greater the conversion from fuel to thermal energy the greater the output. As far as emissions are concerned the hotter the combustion the lower the emissions will be. Not emissions can be eliminated during combustion that is why all the exhaust systems are added to reduce them. Honda had the best emissions reduction systems for years, don know if they still do but they had some real good systems. If you want really low emissions try nitromethane, from personal experence I can tell you it is a real clean burning fuel. just pricy

@exhalt

Guess I got confused when I read what you stated this in your original post
"We can manufacture a 10ton truck complete from scratch in less than 116 hours that's every thing including fabrication and painting."

Swoop223 emission in an engine come from the heat of the burning fuel, if you can lower the burning heat and make the ignition process better you can lower the emissions, now LPG are nearly there but this process is there Pluss its more efficient than LPG. You then add this to like you said a hybrid system and you get what you need a low rpm engine with 100% zero emission. Tis fuel has been around as a fuel sine the 1930's so its not new but because of the hydrogen interest it has been over looked for now.


As Hydrogen is not very good because of a number of issues then this fuel is able to offer a better alternative, You must understand I didn't come up with this solution, I was lucky enough to meet some very top experts in the field of hydrogen these told me about this fuel and why it would be better. These guys have been building hydrogen fuel cell since the early 90's so they do know what they are talking about

Heigtlift you would be surprised that this fuel originally come from the auto industry, but because of some people in this industry really believing in hydrogen its got over looked,