Discussion:
German forklift VS Japanese forklifts VS American forklifts

Who do you think has the best basic design ideas etc.
  • Posted 25 Sep 2015 20:29
  • Discussion started by heightlift
  • North, United Kingdom
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Yes all lift trucks have one thing in common, They have tried to idiot proof them to keep them compliant with safety/ emission issues. Totally agree with Candy fu. I am not partial to any one brand of lift but i do like the older raymond as they were well built and seemed to run forever. The less moving parts on a unit / the less to go wrong.
  • Posted 13 Sep 2021 20:27
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
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  • Posted 10 Sep 2021 12:21
  • Reply by candy_FU
  • China
NON-destructive´╝îvibration analysis
imo...

german = too complex, tempermental by design.
Japanese = complex, perform well but cost is high.
American = does america actually build a pure american built truck anymore?
Assembled in america does not mean what it used to anymore. Made in America just means it was assembled here. Well yes i am being harsh because there are some mfg's that still do build their trucks in america but also do the same in other countries as well in a global setting for convenience.
But i can't say american units are any better or worse than any other...
All forklifts these days have become so complex and bloated with electronic fluff it's rediculous and has driven up costs dramatically and require specialized training to even service most of them. Of course specialized training has always been a thing but these days you can't do much without a handset or laptop anymore.
But with all that said, if i had to pick between the 3, i'd lean towards japanese built trucks, they are built better and give less trouble.
  • Posted 12 Mar 2021 22:24
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
German forklift.
Lifting a load requires many valves, cylinders, blow off valves, hydraulic valves and solenoids, computers, switches, solenoids, many hoses, cushions, stabilizers,
proprietary software, encoders, limit switches, pumps controlled by other computers, and numerous other parts too confusing to explain

American forklift:
up/down valve, lift cyls, pump and hoses...Bob's your uncle :)

Japanese: copy Americans

Chinese: Copy everyone, but badly
  • Posted 12 Mar 2021 13:44
  • Reply by Bluenose
  • Nova Scotia, Canada
hi there.

about the HYSTER diesel, do you think the series FT is as good as the old ones from the 80's era? I hear they have issues with their electronics. is it true?

i am about to get a new one in a demanding environment with salty water and humidity working mainly outside in open space.
George
Hello everyone,

I want to share with my experience. If we are speaking about an industrial application, komatsu forklifts are very reliable. That's proven by 24/7 rough operation on concrete plants in Russia. I want to repeat once again, these trucks are very reliable and easy for maintenance. Almost no electronics. A very good residual price on the market, I think, it's the best one.
Main shortcomings are high price and high price of the spare parts.
  • Posted 21 Jul 2017 17:58
  • Reply by Rolix
  • Moscow, Russia
The old school Toyota, Linde, Hyster etc are very quickly realising that they are losing sales because of the electronic fitted to the machines.
That's why Hyster/Yale have got the new SIMPLE machine on the market.
The best truck in the world 20 years ago was the Linde 351 air cooled, no ECU's, Hydrostatic transmission ETC. But I thing they lost there way.
  • Posted 29 Apr 2017 18:30
  • Reply by phillip_s
  • Please Select, United Kingdom
Offering solutions NOT just a sale!
SAS "stability system" is bad, not even close to Hyster's.
Toyota without full leveled floors they trip and fall on the sides, maintenance is a pain and very costly$$, sorry no Toyota for smart fleet operators
HYSTER number one choice, then depending on application I would go with European brands.
Cheap follows cheap, good luck forkingabout
  • Posted 16 Apr 2017 05:18
  • Reply by vicespinosa
  • CHIH, Mexico
Forklift master
Apart from the odd steering angle sensor failure at high hours, i dont get any issues with Toyota SAS system.

A lot of people dont seem to understand how the system works.
  • Posted 16 Apr 2017 01:08
  • Reply by Forkingabout
  • england, United Kingdom
I have heard horror stories on the Toyota SAS system.
  • Posted 14 Apr 2017 21:05
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
Hi all,

Have tried several brands, including German, Japanese, American and all, electric, internal combustion, cabin no cabin, etc. under different conditions, 24/7/365, heat above 56 degrees celsius in Mexicali , or Freezing under 30 degrees celsius in San Juanito Chihuahua, open air operations.

I mean all type of circumstances, above all brands Hyster is the best, rough, low cost, duramatch transmission, wet brakes, no maintenance suspension, no cost on brakes and never repaired a transmission with such equipment, units with more than 30,000 hours working.
VNA is alot better than Crown's, doesn't shake and provides all high tech needed, RFID, Telematics, auto guided, etc.
Toyota SAS has to be checked every 40 hours, changed at at least every 5,000 hours, to change forks or wheels you have to lift the truck or turn it sideways, Hyster doesn't need that, manual adjustment and all is done above the truck, no man under or lifting needed.

When you are working the worst that can happen is to stop what you are doing, down time is more costly than any forklift.

Linde Hydrostatic is no match for duramatch and wet brakes on Hyster, I have units everywhere, have worked in Europe, Asia and Latin America, where conditions are rough, no paved ways or flat surfaces, you name it, electric or ICE.

Price??? change it by life cycle cost, they save more fuel (up to 10% better than Toyota, CAT, Hyundai, Unicarrier and Linde) make your numbers, downtime comparing all my units on all brands and I go for Hyster, all range of units under the same brand, the others , do not have all range from manual forklift up to 50 T.

Regards to all, hope it helps
  • Posted 14 Apr 2017 02:41
  • Reply by vicespinosa
  • CHIH, Mexico
Forklift master
Customer's decision is always the right one! Toyota's resale value is very good.
You can contact Troy from Eureka Forklifts in Geebung for your old Yale if you wish.
All the best with your new forklift
  • Posted 14 Jul 2016 18:24
  • Reply by fredi
  • Queensland, Australia
Hi Fredi
Thanks for the reply.
Today I signed up for the Toyota before reading your post.
The reason for the choice came down to a couple or few things viz:
The rep offered a new 2015 plated unit for a k less and a peer in Sydney with a nursery operation said he ran all toyotas for reliability and resale. Wasn't overly impressed with Toyota's finance rate which was 1.1% more than a broker's rate tho.
I told the rep that Hyster was 4K cheaper but he didn't seem to care and actually invited me to buy it if price was the important purchase point for me!!
I guess the other reason I went Toyota was good name and resale value also notwithstanding Hyster is well respected too.
Now it remains to move my 1 tonne Yale with its fork positioners on to its next owner! Unfortunately Toyota also wanted another 4K for positioners but this was outside my budget so will adjust manually.
Thanks once again Fredi
Cheers
Nick
  • Posted 12 Jul 2016 21:34
  • Reply by nicholas_p
  • Queensland, Australia
Hi Mate, I am in QLD too and selling forklift. Wont start trying to sell you something, not working for any of these two brands but I used to work for Hyster while in NZ and the 2.5t they are offering in Oceania is a Sumitomo unit. It is produced in Japan, they have a joint venture Nacco-Sumitomo. It is a good product and if there is $4k difference between the two I would jump on the Hyster. Nothing can justify the price difference unless service back up. And that's where Hyster is struggling... Toyota used to be real good on this point, but they are now only interested in their big fleet customer, rushing for the marketshare. I still think you should go for the Hyster or show your Toyota rep the Hyster quote to see if he would match it :-) Both units keep good re sale value. Good luck with your purchase
  • Posted 12 Jul 2016 19:13
  • Reply by fredi
  • Queensland, Australia
Hi
Just looking at a new forklift and considering either Hyster or Toyota in 2.5 tonne counterbalance diesel models with a 4.5 m mast for my production nursery in Queensland Australia.
Toyota is about AUD4,000 dearer. Both seem to have a good reputation so can anyone comment on whether the extra cost of Toyota is value for money?
Cheers
Nick
  • Posted 9 Jul 2016 15:14
  • Reply by nicholas_p
  • Queensland, Australia

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