The ongoing question if Crown will ever introduce a IC lift truck has been answered? I seen three unusual IC lift at a facility today. My first glance at a IC lift that had alot of Crowns modern day FC electric counterbalance look. It was a prototype called the RTS-50. The thing just looked like a CROWN no doubt. It had a John Deere power plant. Very deisel looking the valve cover was almost a foot wide. The engine was running on propane, but even sounds like a deisel. The truck looked very basic somewhat like a KOMATSU (nothing to fancy very common place machine) Some say Crown has been working on this for years. Looks like it is almost hear. Word is the lift is being built in there Indiana facility with production to start very soon. Is it to late for Crown IC indeavor? As I drove away from this facility this question kept coming to mind, because of the company just down the street. Plug Power motive power division. The hydrogen fuel cell people. I was a very short distance (15 miles) from Crowns New Bremen, Ohio headquarters. Plug power has two marketing people from Crown. Times might be tough, but Crown Lift Trucks has got more going on than you can imagine. Good Luck to all.
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Just going back to earlier in the thread, Cesab(BT, part of Toyota) uses John Deere engines in its 4 ton up trucks.
Crown makes a good solid truck.Used to service a lot of them,now I just get the bugs out and let them roll.Lot of old crowns still running in this area,along with raymonds.Very few Toyotas and for the most part IC trucks
Dont care who made them as long as they keep breaking and giving me a job.
I agree with what your saying Joe, but you want get Crown to believe that. The Crown guys that I know are good guys they just believe that Crown is the best and there is nothing better. They have this chip on there shoulder and it's fun to get them worked up.
Crown hired an IC guy from Komatsu 1.5 years ago or more and tried to get an agreement stamped out with Komatsu to PL the trucks under the Crown name as Crown does with Doosan outside the USA.
1. I am positive Crown would not be the OEM, too risky.
2. I think this move is a poor decision, which will bring some red to their comfortable black.
3. Although Crown dealerships carry IC trucks and attempt to sell along with the ELTs --- IC and ELTs are two completely different animals.
4. The US market is already too saturated with IC OEMs/brands.
5. Crown should stick to what has made them great; I'm am sure this is a direct knee-jerk reaction to Toyota purchasing Raymond. Raymond dealers now have an association with the best selling IC company/trucks in the US and Crown currently has nothing.
Did you like that? It's always good to stir it up a little with all the Crown lovers. Crown knows they cant compete with Toyota sit down electrics and especially IC, with a john deere motor,,,cmon. Look at the ITA numbers, Toyota is number 1 for a reason. I know a lot of Crown Techs who hate anything to do with IC trucks, some Crown Techs, not all but some are just like the Raymond techs, They hate getting dirty and only want to work on electric trucks. If it's not a Crown they dont like working on it, especially in Chicago land. Now remember I said some Crown Techs and they know who they are, I also know some very talented Crown Techs that are class acts. So before i get the beat down from all the Crown guys, just remember what I have said and dont take it out of context. Also what i am saying I heve either seen or heard from the Crown techs themselves. In the Chicagoland area I always hear from the Crown guys and how crappy they are treated, being tracked constantly, no raises and the list goes on. I'm just callin it how I have seen it. Sorry if I **** anyone off, But Toyota is one Linde is two, wheres Crown? I'm not sure.
Did you like that? It's always good to stir it up a little with all the Crown lovers. Crown knows they cant compete with Toyota sit down electrics and especially IC, with a john deere motor,,,cmon. Look at the ITA numbers, Toyota is number 1 for a reason. I know a lot of Crown Techs who hate anything to do with IC trucks, some Crown Techs, not all but some are just like the Raymond techs, They hate getting dirty and only want to work on electric trucks. If it's not a Crown they dont like working on it, especially in Chicago land. Now remember I said some Crown Techs and they know who they are, I also know some very talented Crown Techs that are class acts. So before i get the beat down from all the Crown guys, just remember what I have said and dont take it out of context. Also what i am saying I heve either seen or heard from the Crown techs themselves. In the Chicagoland area I always hear from the Crown guys and how crappy they are treated, being tracked constantly, no raises and the list goes on. I'm just callin it how I have seen it. Sorry if I XXXXXXX anyone off, But Toyota is one Linde is two, wheres Crown? I'm not sure.
I doubt they will ever be a number one contender in the IC market, look at Hyster, Clark, Yale, they havent been a number one contender in years and they have been in the IC arena for decades. Rember Crown will have to beat out Toyota which makes a better sit down electric than Crown, I will say Crown makes better narrow isle equipment than Toyota. But Crown will never be able to compete in the Sit down arena wether i'ts electric or IC. I think Crown should be concerned about their ifostructure of their employees, lay offs raise freezes and etc. It wont matter what number they are because they wont have anybody to work on them. This is my opinion though so take it how you want.
How about the old , early 70s ,Clark UT with JD tractor chassies. The whole mast side shifted on round bar on rear,... front,... big wheel end of tractor.
Manitou uses JD diesels in some of their telehandlers. I think these are built in North Dakota.
"However, it would give Crown a "made in USA" truck that is actually made in the USA with US parts."
Sorry to say that wouldn't be the case even with a JD engine. I bought a new JD 7220 a couple of years ago. It was manufactured in England. JD smaller diesel tractors (I think under 30 hp or so) are actually built by Yanmar. Many of their small gasoline powered units use Kawasaki engines.. I'm sure there are still many products they manufacture in their American facilities but many parts are imported.
These days the only thing in this country that's 100% made in America are Americans and the tried and true Americans seem to be in short supply...Makes me miss John Wayne
Raymond is selling Tusk in Tennessee.Will Crown have them make a Crown truck?Sounds funky to me but stranger things have happened.CAT/RAYMOND and Cat/Nissan.Crown/Tusk maybe next.
I agree. There will not be a John Deere engine in any lift truck any time in the near future and if Crown introduces an IC truck in 2008, which I think they will, it will not be manufactured by them [Crown] but by Komatsu or Doosan. That could open the door for Komatsu or Doosan (or whoever builds the Crown IC) to have Crown private label Class II trucks for whoever they partner with.
It is hard for me to imagine that John Deere would develop an engine just for IC lifts. I can't think of anything else that John Deere makes that they could use this engine for that would fit in your typical 5000# capacity LP gas truck. The Nissan engine is used in Tusk, Komatsu, Nissan, and even Caterpillar/Mitsubishi trucks. The development costs for an engine to meet the new EPA standards is high. You have to sell a lot of to pay for your investment.
Hi you all,
Both Hyster/Fortis and Yale/Veracitor could have been Crown's closest benchmark for their newly coming IC range development. These two US brands employed a traction control system designed by Phoenix International.
Crown also followed this advanced traction control concept from John Deere subsidiary, I can easily imagine.
As Fortis (Fortens) & Veracitor have on board Mazda and GM LP engines, Crown to source their IC engine from John Deere, I guess. This is also good for differentiating Hyster and Yale, their US forerunners.
Let's wait and see.........
I would be suprised to see a John Deere engine in anything other than John Deere equipment. However, it would give Crown a "made in USA" truck that is actually made in the USA with US parts. What an angle that would be!
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