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Crown Equipment LP Truck / ESPN
Did you all see the new Crown LP truck that is going to come out.. its on the cover of ESPN magazine...

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  • Posted 18 Jul 2009 07:32 AM
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  • SCCOCA
  • South Carolina, United States
Yea it looks good! Anyone know when that might be coming out? Why would they put that truck on the cover when its not out yet?
  • Posted 22 Jul 2009 07:00 AM
prolly by fall time..... its called " creating a buzz" making people take a second look at something and wondering about [url removed] i wold assume
  • Posted 22 Jul 2009 11:53 AM
Yes I will be interested to see this one myself..
  • Posted 25 Jul 2009 12:04 AM
  • jay_w
  • North Carolina, United States
I have already seen one. It will impress you. :)
  • Posted 27 Jul 2009 10:57 AM
  • edward_t
  • South Carolina, United States
So far, the ones I have seen in North Carolina, are only as impressive as the same unit with a Komatsu and/or Tusk logo.
Jay_w, please tell us further what you found as so "impressive".
as far as the cover of the ESPN mag, there used to be a time when it was considered incorrect to show anyone doing something generally considered unsafe or against the rules, and to show someone riding on the forks of a forklift should be something those of us who know better would/should have complained about. now even more of the "unknowing masses" will consider it "OK to ride on the forks", after all ESPN shows it on their mag cover for everyone to see...

"it's not rocket surgery"
  • Posted 27 Jul 2009 11:44 AM
  • • Modified 27 Jul 2009 08:50 PM by poster
  • chublil
  • California, United States
I agree Edward, pretty bad picture. Cleaning up and post inspection after any accident ***, especially a fatality. As far as the LP goes, you can bet your bottom dollar it will have a Crown only software set-up and you probably wont even be able to drain the oil without a Crown guy having to come out with a laptop. Whats even worse is the salesmen fail to go into any details concerning this software issue, and that goes for pretty much every [url removed] unit provided that has to meet CARB standards. Enjoy your new forklift!!!!

Fix it right!!!
  • Posted 28 Jul 2009 10:53 AM
Yes, I would like to know what makes this truck so "special" [url removed] than the John Deere engine....

as far as the fork [url removed], who [url removed] Its a sports magazine, not a material handling [url removed] about every stunt in every movie, tv show ect is unsafe to the average person.... you dont see me driving 100 mph in my car and blowing up things for effect....
  • Posted 28 Jul 2009 11:29 AM
  • chublil
  • California, United States
Its kinda like advertising a handgun by having the model point it at his head with a big smile!!!

Fix it right!!!
  • Posted 28 Jul 2009 11:53 AM
If you feel that way, you must only watch G rated movies....
  • Posted 29 Jul 2009 11:37 AM
  • chublil
  • California, United States
Chris have you done any post accident inspections for accidents involving either injuries or fatalities? I see your point of view, no disrespect when I say it is a really crappy thing to do. Over the last 20 years I have done at least 2 dozen injury accidents, amputated feet, smashed hands, broken arms and legs etc. I did 4 fatality inspections and out of those 4, two involved the operators still lying there dead, one was a decapitation that after 12 years i can still see that guys face 30 feet from his body, the other was a lady on a Model 80 Raymond that smashed her head between two overhead gaurds. Maybe thats why Im so biased when it comes to treating a person smiling standing on elevated forks, knowing how easy it is for them to be just another dead operator.

Fix it right!!!
  • Posted 29 Jul 2009 12:00 PM
  • chublil
  • California, United States
Chris have you done any post accident inspections for accidents involving either injuries or fatalities? I see your point of view, no disrespect when I say it is a really crappy thing to do. Over the last 20 years I have done at least 2 dozen injury accidents, amputated feet, smashed hands, broken arms and legs etc. I did 4 fatality inspections and out of those 4, two involved the operators still lying there dead, one was a decapitation that after 12 years i can still see that guys face 30 feet from his body, the other was a lady on a Model 80 Raymond that smashed her head between two overhead gaurds. Maybe thats why Im so biased when it comes to treating a person smiling standing on elevated forks, knowing how easy it is for them to be just another dead operator.

Fix it right!!!
  • Posted 29 Jul 2009 12:00 PM
You guys hearing footsteps?
  • Posted 29 Jul 2009 12:23 PM
Sounds more like the rumble of a slow moving steam roller! That could be a game changer for Crown.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2009 11:07 PM
  • guru
  • North Carolina, United States
If you click on the URL then after the site opens you can build your own ESPN cover (pick the option from the left side menu) with your picture and any headline you want. The only catch is you have to pay to print your cover. Not saying that is what was done but it sure looks like it. Anyone seen the cover on a news stand? Or just on the net.
  • Posted 30 Jul 2009 11:50 PM
[url removed] it is on newsstands.... notice how the link was to the espn site [url removed] could under stand if it was on a free hosting site or something, but come on...... Yes I have seen the magazine in stores
  • Posted 31 Jul 2009 12:06 AM
It is on the newstand. If you are an ESPN INsider you can see the behind the scene access to the photoshoot. It was the photographer's desing to have [url removed] standing on the forks. I don't condone anyone standing on forks and crown released a statement to the same effect. I can tell you that this truck will be huge for Crown. It has crown access points and the JD Motor. I have seen this truck up close. The only thing I have seen that I don't like about the truck, is how loud it is to an operator. Some complained of the noise, but overall a good truck.
  • Posted 31 Jul 2009 01:13 AM
if your still a non - [url removed] out the headline story on [url removed]
  • Posted 31 Jul 2009 09:08 AM
  • jay_w
  • North Carolina, United States
Impressive in a sense that of out of all gas trucks I have ever seen, this one is by far going to be the easiest to work on. Of course, this is merely my opinion. When the product launches beyond test areas, I'm sure you all will form yours.

And just to eliminate speculation (if there is any), ESPN came to Crown for the cover shot not the other way around. From what I hear, more than just Crown was contacted to pose their products for the same shot.
  • Posted 31 Jul 2009 10:07 AM
Here are some responses from [url removed]'s Safety First columnists:

Regarding the football-fantasy photograph, no trainer or safety person would ever endorse this type of action, but it happens thousands of times every day in the US with real workers, not actors or football players, involved in a photo shoot.
A person in the material handling industry may say “wow look at the Crown lifting that guy,” but outside those circles it is just a forklift to most people. I think there is zero damage to Crown as we all know they would never approve of that type of thing even in a photo shoot if they knew about it.
Most non-forklift folks are uninformed, and many operators are trained so poorly that they might not even know what is wrong, which is a real tragedy in many ways.
I think spending too much time on something minor like this distracts away from the real issues that kill forklift operators and pedestrians every day around the world. How about a cover on the fact that in the US more people are killed by forklifts than by tornados or by poisonous snakes each year? Now that is a story worth printing and a problem worth fixing.
David Hoover
President
Forklift Training Systems

The editor
  • Posted 6 Aug 2009 08:18 AM
And another..

As to the "non-OSHA-compliant" aspect of the ESPN The Magazine photo, do professional sports fall within the jurisdiction of OSHA and, more to the point, where do professional athletes fall within said jurisdiction? Surely the groundskeepers, custodial staff, security personnel, concession worker and all the others are “workers” in the standard sense of the word, but the athletes? I suppose they should be, but I don't really know.
Does the photo give Crown a bad name? Not a chance. As people say, no publicity is bad publicity and being seen on the front cover of a sports magazine touting America's #1 spectator sport is pure gold as far as publicity goes. Furthermore, the only people that will identify this cover as being “non-OSHA” will represent such a tiny sliver of the of the total readership that even if every one of them screamed about it at the top of their lungs, no one would even hear much less give it any attention.
Does it open forklift operator training to criticism? Not in my opinion but I suppose it could to some. However, the OSHA mandated forklift operator training standard is designed for actual operators working on industrial worksites. In my opinion, this cover does not have any more effect on forklift training than Hollywood car chases do on automobile driver training. The "stunt" pulled by ESPN on this cover was presumably executed by professionals under controlled circumstances with all due considerations for safety taken. If it was not, then shame on ESPN.

Rob Vetter
Director of Training
IVES Training & Compliance Group Inc

Regarding the Crown forklift on the ESPN The Magazine cover, there are two sides to every coin, so let us start with the first. As a professional trainer, I do not condone the use of powered industrial lift trucks to elevate individuals without the use of a safety cage (of certain minimum specifications) dually supported to the forklift. An individual must be wearing the proper PPE, which includes an approved belt or harness, and a tether (lanyard) not exceeding 5 feet (1.5 m). Therefore, the message to professional trainers, experienced competent operators, current trainees and the up-and-coming operators is wrong.
On the other side of the coin, this is merely a photo-op. I suppose Mr. Peterson is such a heavyweight that he requires a forklift to elevate and support him up in the air. This picture demonstrates the creativity of the magazine, the photographer, and all involved, except for the non-present OSHA representative. The forklift is merely a prop and, without reading the article, possibly ingenious.
This is a sports magazine, not a forklift, materials handling or warehousing magazine. The masses would not know the safety issues if they were standing underneath the forks, and the forks dropped and hit them on their heads. Many doctors, accountants and office managers know nothing about forklifts, or forklift safety, and they’re obvious thoughts would probably be ‘cool’. Nice looking truck! That is why forklift operators always look out for pedestrians because pedestrians are ignorant when it comes to forklifts.
Which brings me to this question: we have seen scantily clad models laying out on the hoods of exotic or customized vehicles, and ogled and stared at what we are looking at. That is okay because they beautiful models, however, the legality of a model spread out on the hood of one’s car would also be considered illegal while driving on the streets.
Okay, so you say that the car is not actually moving, so there is no harm. Well, I do not believe that Adrian is actually working either. We all see movie posters of people killing others, reckless car driving, drug dealing and so forth. I guess the police would have some negative comments regarding what we see in film and magazine covers as well. But that is life. And sometimes, magazine covers do not always depict life as it should be.
Is it OSHA compliant? No, it isn’t. Do I agree with what I see? No, I don’t.
Is it a harmless photo shoot under controlled conditions just to get a point across? Yes it is. Do the masses, which this publication is geared for really care? No, they don’t. It’s done and over with. Do I care as a professional lift truck trainer as to what I see? Flip me a coin, and I will gladly tell you!

Danny Maron
owner and trainer
Ideal Forklift Training
  • Posted 6 Aug 2009 08:18 AM
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