Donnie,
You are in good hands with Toyota. There are many other very good manufacturers, some better than Toyota on certain products. But in general Toyota seems to do things just a little bit better in all aspects of the businesses they are involved with.

I see from reading that you are a veteran of the industry and you are now with TOYOTA. I am new to the Industry and with TOYOTA. I would welcome any advice you would be willing to share with me. You may also email me [email address removed]

You have to go with the best dealer because there is no difference in the product. It's that simple.

Well this thread has gotten a little of the initial question asked. That the accelerator voltage is too high giving a code. If the accelerator sensor is properly checked and found to be in good shape and properly adjusted then the problem is probably the voltage regulator circuit in the card is defective and the only solution is to replace the card.

I HIGHLY AGREE with the first post....find another service dealer.

Now about the Toyotas. I worked for the Toyota factory or was associated with Toyota for 25 years. The 4Y engine was introduced in the 5 series in October 1986. It has been an unbelievably reliable engine. The SAS system is also extremely reliable, however it is not trouble free. It is expensive to replace components when they fail. That being said....Toyota is the most trouble free truck on the market today. With the changes on the 8 series, I expect the reliability to increase.

SAS average cost per truck per year is "less than $21.50 per year" Over 120,000 built with SAS. I've never heard on any customer having an issue.

Not a bad insurance policy for forklift operators that don't always have respect for the equipment.

Interesting...thanks for the info. Now here's a question for you, which is better? The Hyster Fortis (or Yale Vericator) or the Toyota 8-Series? Don't Toyota parts cost a lot more than Hyster/Yale parts? Isn't that SAS full of expensive parts?
I don't know much about Toyota...sorry for possibly annoying questions.

As far as the SAS on the 8-series is concerned there have been minor changes to the system. The rest of the truck is even more impressive, again minor changes that add up to a much improved truck. The thing that most impresses me the most is the simplicity of the thought behind the truck. One engine and one transmission choice for the last 22 years. NACCO has 3 engines and 3 or 4 transmissions (9-12 combinations).

Market is getting closer if I remember the numbers Toyota is at 19%, Raymond 7%. Yale was 14% and Hyster was 11%.

Worldwide Toyota is about 5B and NACCO is about 1.5-2B.

Let me throw a question out there since I just caught onto this discussion thread. As we know, NACCO is Hyster and Yale with NACCO holding about 28% of the market share (Toyota closing in fast with 26%). Does anyone know volume share between Hyster & Yale units. I am mainly looking for volumes produced in 2006 for class 4 & 5 IC trucks. Curious to know volume differances. ITA does not break it down.

"Dropping Shorts" Interesting comment coming from a Toyota guy. Around here, that's the selling point of a Toyota truck, see how low the salesman will go. (Kidding-no bashing intended towards you-just observation of demographic area)

BTW, what can you tell me about the SAS system as a whole & the new 8-Series machines? I hear they're pretty impressive.

I worked for Yale for seven years and had been associated with Yale for the previous twenty years and now I work for Toyota.

THE YALE AND HYSTER ARE THE SAME TRUCK. I HAVE BOTH THEIR PRICE PAGES. THEY ARE THE SAME TRUCK.

DEALERS DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT YALE AND HYSTER ARE STILL THE SAME TRUCK PRODUCED IN THE SAME PLANTS WITH THE SAME OPTIONS AND NOW MANDATED SAME STANDARD DISCOUNTING AND SAME SPECIAL DISCOUNTING FOR BIG DEALS.

BUT THEY ARE STILL THE SAME TRUCK. IT STILL COMES DOWN TO WHO WANTS TO DROP THEIR SHORTS THE FURTHEST.

Just got back from Grand Rapids Michigan, visited Haworth plant and saw many Crowns running about there. Yale must be having tough time penetrating the account here.

Back here in Malaysia, both Hyster & Yale has been slow for the past 4-5 years. Both dealer are either saddle with manpower or financial issues.

Otherwise, i do believe those two brands are very good products and offer minimal maintenance.

yes thats all fine and dandy

but has man really walked on the moon ?

and who's peter frampton ?....has he walked on the moon ?

and whats this monytrol thing......is that a hyster bank ?

i cant think anymore.......i need some tea......happy easter

No differences in a Yale or Hyster! Even your Monotrol. It can and is ordered on Yale's. We deliver them every day. Only difference on a Yale or a Hyster is the Decal. As far as service? That depends on where your located and who you are using for service? I seen both on both sides of the fence. Service is only as good as your techs are and how good the dealer is stocked with the right inventory? The rest is HISTORY. ETS

Tom_H,

What side of the state are you located at? I have to agree with you about Hyster service in Michigan. NACCO should have done there homework better in Michigan and picked a better dealership to repersent the Hyster name.

Here in Michigan Yale is King! Hyster has fallen hard over the years here in Michigan.And its not getting any better.We look at Hyster now as the "Hillbilly waaaanabee's"TCM dealer turned Hyster??? What a joke.
It all comes down to dealership service. Thats a fact JACK!