Don't bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me, don't bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me, Rooooooooool another one just like the other one.......Sound track from the movie Easy Rider....................

It is 1:46 AM, May 1 in the UAE and no April unveiling of this modular, ammonia fueled industry first, special unit. Had a couple bags of Orville Rickenbacker microwaveable popcorn ready to watch this as promised by the 'E" person April launch. What a shame missed it once again. Reminds me of that chicken running around and repeatedly saying something about the sky is falling.

Guess I'll just cut the grass (not the cannibus type).- with a happy face.

Ciao!

Exalt....what product? You DON'T have a product, all you have is talk.

I think we are getting off topic this is a Hyster Maximal thread. Time to create a new one i think.

My past make my future more clearer and life easier negotiate as I have learned from the past. History does help us all.
But one thing you can bet on when I say something will happen on a given time table it will happen - God willing & the creek don't rise. Never do I shoot from the hip or start doing a soft shoe rendition when things don't go as planned. Then I will stand up an be counted and be a straight shooter. I'm really good at identifying one that likes to do that soft shoe shuffle stuff.
You may have a plan but but a key to success is developing a solid and well financed dealer net work that is willing to take on your product, stock at least one complete set of modules in hopes the never become obsolete due to new technological advancements. And they need to be well trained on all phases of this "new" product - from product training to technical/trouble shooting, maintenance etc.
The lift truck business has not really change that much since I started in 1967. Today the small dealers seem to be fading away and the mega dealers are on the upswing (buying up the smaller dealers). Today equipment financing options are commonplace. The Chinese seem to offer inexpensive equipment but they are having a hard time getting there product support up to speed of the established brands. They want to build population first but their reputation suffers - guess that is why the change the name of the same truck faster than I change underwear. Buyers just want their equipment up an running not dead in the water and waiting - was that way in 1967 & is very apropos today.

Yeah my wife uses ammonia around the house - we have two bottles in the laundry room right now.

Tick Tock, Tick Tock - 6 days left and two of those days are weekends days.

Johnr j, you have just shown how you don't even understand our product our idea or any thing about our business model.

To start with the exchange moduals will be held by the service dealers, they can exchange a unit in less than one hour and if you take three hours for the call and travel time, i'm sure there are service deptos within a three hour radius.


You talk about things that are nearly forty years old you need to get in today's world not yesterdays.


As for the availability of Ammonia, Ammonia is available everywhere today in the USA there are pipelines from east to west and north to south moving ammonia


We love people like you because you make what we do much more easier. You live and think in the past

@triumphrider
Now a man that is true to his word still has 6 more days to unveil this 'secrete" phenomena. After all he did say next April in 2018. But did not state which date.
Guess we will find out May 1 if the word has been kept.

I'm still wondering if the folks in the Netherlands are still running their buses on ammonia - some how I think they opted for a "fossil fuel" once it be came available again after WWII. The "Exhalted One" went quiet on my legit inquiry.
One can do unique things but the infrastructure to support them must be in place before it can be a real solution. One reason all electric cars are not a solution - too short of a distance to run on a full charge and too long to recharge - not to mention the economics of ownership - high up front price and low trade-in or residual value (those battery banks ain't cheap to replace and no snake oil can "rejuvenate" them. Kinda' like the history of any brand of battery powered lift trucks for as long as I was around the business since 1967. As late as 2005 I sold used equipment both retail & whole sale. In the wholesale market a 5 year old 5 K ICE solid tire truck would run at least 3 times more than an equivalent 5K solid tire electric w/battery & charger - both in running condition, fully functional & operational.
Just one more thing that ain't to clear. Exhalt claims it only takes 4 hours to exchange one of those modules. Maybe that is true. But what puzzles me where are these "extra" modules located - I assume at some stocking point some where close to the point of manufacture or close to the point of use or maybe on the next continent. If it ain't close to the point of use then their is some added time for shipping & receiving, maybe customs issues, etc. etc.. So down time "might" be minimal or it might be very extensive. The larger the fleet in use the more complicated it be comes for the manufacture. to keep the end user up and running. In my tenure with Alis-Chalmers during the Lancer Boss agreement era (1970 thru 1982) product support was nothing but a large PITA. Often parts were air freighted at no cost to the customer & Sir Neville Bowman did not like to eat but he did.
Every thing always looks good on paper.

Ammonia has a problem delivering power under low RPM and high RPM loads. Usually requires a backup fuel source under these conditions. How are you getting around this?

Now what is your prediction on the roll out of your UBER Truck?

The only way to be 100% zero emission, that is cost effective, offers the same performance and range as diesel is the ammonia hybrid way.


Companies are now looking to be sustainable because of both shareholder and customer pressure.

In the smaller truck up to 3,500kg and warehouse equipment Lithium Iron could be an option. But over 5,000kg the best option is certainly Ammonia Hybrid system.


One thing is for certain it won't be hydrogen that will power forklifts in the future. Meaning my prediction that Hyster will loose a couple of hundred million dollars will be right

What does Belguim power their buses with today???? if not ammonia, why did they change???

One thing we do know is that customers are going to want a sustainable option when look at medium to big trucks over 6,000kg. At the moment there a number of options for these trucks

A / lead acid battery the problem is they don't really have the range to last a full shift maximum range even at 6,000kg would be four - five hours then around eight hours charging and the maintenance side and charging infrastructure.



B / lithium - ion battery with intermittent charging they might do one shift but will definitely not do a double shift standard run time around six to seven hours another problem will be the storage capacity of the battery after only a couple of years work the storage capacity of the battery will have declined significantly plus lithium -ion battery trucks cost a lot more than standard electric trucks.

C / hydrogen fuel cell apart from the very high cost of the truck you have a very high cost of both the hydrogen and the hydrogen storage systems. Then you have the problems with the vibration of the truck that will damage the cells, cells will need rebuild around every 12 month.


D / Ammonia Hybrid engine truck, Ammonia has been proven over many years as a fuel for engines, way back after the second world war Belgium use ammonia to power buses with no one injured. The ammonia hybrid option has a range of around 20 hours a refill time of less than 10 minutes and can perfume as well or out perform any diesel counterpart on the market today.


So there you have it four options for the future of medium to heavy materials handling equipment.

Nooooo, otherwise we will be denied our source of enlightenment for the future of the materials handling industry.

Can anybody take Exhausts crack pipe away from him?

There will be no risk because the truck doesn't exist. One year from now, we will still be hearing the same things that exalt has been claiming for the past 6 year.