Discussion:
the End of Materials Handling as it is known today

The Materials Handling market is about to change. With only around six or seven of the world's manufactures serving. With in the next 10 years most warehouse will be completely different Companies like KION of China DAMATIC or TOYOTA of Japan VANDERLANDE will dominate the warehouse business with hole turnkey products. Pallet trucks, reach trucks VNA truck will all be replaced with automated equipment.

Counter balance forklift sales will also decline and be replaced with complete handling systems that will be able to move products around a facility with out the need of an operator. Out side the facility there will also be big changes Both Diesel and electric forklifts will be replaced with 100% zero emission products that will have much longer ranges then electric forklifts and will be able to handle loads up to 72,000kg while being 100% zero emission. Companies Like Hyster who have backed Hydrogen to the tune of up to $260 million investment will see this disappear as hydrogen forklifts wont be able to compete with the new technologies that will offer lower cost's ,no need for high pressure systems ,be less explosive and more cost effective than hydrogen.
  • Posted 22 Feb 2020 07:11
  • Discussion started by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
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well seems you are wrong again, it is very easy to have 100% zero emission today well to wheel
  • Posted 2 Mar 2020 01:31
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
"Over 6,000kg IC that is zero emission seems to be better."

Too bad it's not possible to have 'zero emission'
ALL vehicles gas, lpg, diesel, electric all contribute to CO or CO2 emissions in some form or another, always have and always will.
The only way to achieve a true 'zero' emission is to just not have any, go back to the horse and buggy days.
Then the environment fanatics can start picking on wood burning and cow farting!
:oD
  • Posted 1 Mar 2020 23:56
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
Just on the point of Cummins and Diesel is better than electric, there is a video that show a Still RX60 up against three diesel trucks from Top manufactures and the Still electric truck outperforms them all. Now add this to the New Jungheinrich P30i truck and with in three years Electric trucks under 3,500kg will have similar or better performance than their diesel counter parts.

Over 6,000kg IC that is zero emission seems to be better.
  • Posted 1 Mar 2020 21:18
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
Why are you back in Halifax, have your investors realised your full of......and you can't show a working machine? That's all you need to do to prove yourself but you can't do it can you???
  • Posted 29 Feb 2020 12:45
  • Modified 29 Feb 2020 16:15 by administrator
  • Reply by mrLifter
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
funny, you've been talking about this truck for over 2yrs
seems like your due dates always seem to keep changing
at least your giving yourself all year to tout this mystery machine this year ;o)

funny thing is when you keep making promises and don't deliver your credibility goes out the window and nobody cares anymore after that.
Psst, according to some climate change experts we only have 12 yrs before the world comes to an end so you better hurry! LuLz :oD
  • Posted 29 Feb 2020 12:07
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
swoop223@gmail.com
as i have stated the truck will out in the fourth Quarter of this year
  • Posted 29 Feb 2020 07:52
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
April is only a month away. Just in case you want to recycle that lie.
  • Posted 29 Feb 2020 07:13
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States
Well to say I don't like Hyster Yale and I pick at them because they are a global manufacture is just not correct. What I have said about Hyster Yale is true and can be backed up by facts, These are that in 2017 hyster yale paid $ 100 million 75% of the equity of the Chinese Company Maximal. At the time Maximal was either near bankruptcy or Bankrupt and real value would have been under $10 million for 100% of the company. Hyster Yale also might have to pay the Maximal management a further $10 million before the end of this year form sales targets add this to the $10 million Hyster yale had to invest into Maximal that's a total of $120 Million for 75% of a Bankrupt or near bankrupt company. Now add to this Nuvera the Hyster yale Hydrogen fuel cell company this company lost over $80 Million EBITDA between 2017 and 2018 the total EBITDA loss for this company will probably be over $200 million up to end of 2019. Now Hydrogen fuel cell won't work and are just to costly even for Automobiles and certainty wont work in materials handling equipment. So as a result of these two things Hyster Yale are probably looking at of a loss of around $250 million some time in the near future. Now if this is nocking Hyster Yale or is this people who work for Hyster Yale trying to cover up the mess they are in by say you only nock Hyster Yale because they are a global manufacture.

Now lets look at the Modular truck that heightlift doesn't see the need for. Heightlift says I have never seen an engine failure on a engine that get maintained correctly. Some components fail but are easily fixed. It is easier to replace a starter motor than replace the full engine because the starter motor has failed. So lets look at a starter motor, if a starter motor was to fail I think it would be fair to say the engineer would be at the site three hours after the service company gets the call, Diagnostics would probably take one hour , it might take one hour to get another starter motor and two hours to fit it so all in total that's seven hours. Now take modular truck so lets say it takes the same three hours for the engineer to arrive at the site to remove and install the exchange power pack takes 30 minutes and the truck is back ready for service in total the truck would have been out of service for three hours 3o minutes. As against Seven hours for the normal truck.

Now you say Electric will probably be the norm for counter balance forklifts so lets look at the Toyota 8 ton electric truck. This truck has a 100 kwh battery and used 14.8 kwh to run this would give a round about six hour thirty minute range. If you were to use an intermittent charging system use a 90 kwh hour charger you would get 67.5 kwh of charge over a eight hour shift. You would also have thermal heat issues with the battery doing this every day or two or three times a day. So over 6,000kg electric would not be suitable. Now also add the fact that companies will probably have to reveal their carbon foot print per year some time with in the next five years, and for larger companies this carbon foot print will include their suppliers and distribution network if third party. A company that uses old diesel truck will have a higher carbon foot print than a company using 100% zero emission forklift so won't be as attractive as a supplier to other companies and customers won't really want their goods. This is what will be the driver to a zero emission forklift.


Thirdly you said just find it hard to believe that it isn't already in use by someone. The big OEM invest a lot more than you in this type of research, my guess is they looked at it and thought what a load of s**t. Now the technology for electric cars was around long before TESLA and yet early this Year TESLA had a market capitalisation the same as Volkswagen and is many years ahead of all car OEM's when it comes to electric cars. Also in 2006 both Nokia and Blackbury had the same technology for smart phones as Apple, but yet Apple over the last fourteen years has gone on to be one of the world largest capitalisation companies and both Nokia and Blackbury have nearly all but disappeared.
  • Posted 29 Feb 2020 07:10
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
triumphrider,
i think he only goes after them because they are one of the top manufacturers in the US market and are worldwide in material handling industry.
And of course if you dig deeper they are owned by nacco and since he tends to be a global climate change supporter (he hasn't come out and specifically said it but his innuendo in his past posts suggests it) it only makes sense he would go after them.
I don't want to turn this discussion in that direction (which is why i haven't gone down that road in my responses before), as it would totally change the narrative of the post topic and dominate it and probably turn it into a toxic discussion worse than what it already is.
Most of us know why he tends to come in and refresh his advertisements for this 'wonder bread miracle lift' that never seems to quite make it to reality.
He doesn't have the financial support for it to make it a reality obviously, why else do you think it's still 'on the way'? It's that or he's just a really bad con artist.
Of course this is just my opinion but it makes sense to me ;o)
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 23:29
  • Modified 28 Feb 2020 23:31 by poster
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
You've been swooped!
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Why do you seem to have it in for hyster/yale Did exhaust sleaze get offended by some body at hyster yale? If so suck it up dude, you are not going to see the down fall of Hyster /Yale any time soon
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 22:34
  • Reply by triumphrider
  • Texas, United States
Modular Truck, i don't see the need for a modular truck. Components and technology are getting better, manufacturing is getting better there should be very few components failing if maintained correctly. I have never seen an engine failure on a engine that get maintained correctly. Some components fail but are easily fixed. It is easier to replace a starter motor than replace the full engine because the starter motor has failed.

Battery technology is improving all the time. I believe electric will be the most common counterbalance forklift in few years but i don't think diesel and LPG will be going anywhere. Just look at the amount of diesel and LPG forklifts out there older than 10 years old now.

If this new technology works it will be interesting, just find it hard to believe that it isn't already in use by someone. The big OEM invest a lot more than you in this type of research, my guess is they looked at it and thought what a load of s**t.
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 19:27
  • Reply by heightlift
  • North, United Kingdom
Yawn!!
.....you don't give up with the bullsh#t do you!
At least Cummins actually produce something unlike yourself, unless you can cut the crap and show some hard evidence but I highly doubt that as you have been asked a number of times before on here and no proof so far!!
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 09:07
  • Modified 28 Feb 2020 10:43 by administrator
  • Reply by mrLifter
  • Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom
Well looking at the advertorial for Cummins and the future of Diesel I think Cummins can't not be further from the truth.

Cummins state
Diesel power delivers better acceleration, forklift speed, and driveline torque at low RPM, as well as easily handling any hydraulic additions. A electric forklift will accelerate better than a Diesel truck over a short length. A 100% Zero emission ammonia hybrid using an electric drive will out perfume any diesel truck.

Less maintenance issues. A diesel forklift requires less scheduled repair and maintenance. Electric trucks and ammonia hybrid have less moving parts than a diesel Torque converter truck and require around 50% less maintenance.


More cost efficient. The cost of diesel is usually less than propane and diesel lifts feature a lower cost of ownership than propane. An Ammonia hybrid truck is more efficient and cost less to run than a diesel forklift. A 10,000kg Diesel forklift would cost around 9.6 US dollars to run per hour. A 10,000kg Ammonia hybrid cost around 4 US dollars per hour to run
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 07:46
  • Modified 28 Feb 2020 07:47 by poster
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
Or Missed you too
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 06:37
  • Reply by Exalteze
  • Halifax, United Kingdom
Exalt leading the way to a zero emission future
Saw the title in the forums and automatically knew....(who)....crawled back out from under his rock.
  • Posted 28 Feb 2020 00:46
  • Modified 28 Feb 2020 10:41 by administrator
  • Reply by ChrisK
  • Kansas, United States

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