Discussion:
lithium

There's a lot of money being spent on developing and promoting lithium, but the real world benefits aren't actually compelling right now. Very expensive tech, unknown long-term real life performance, excessive energy to manufacture and poor for recycling.
But it is moving forward and I'm sure these issues will be overcome with greater adoption.
But when do people think it will be a viable option for the majority of electric FLT's? Anyone willing to put a date on the tipping point?
  • Posted 15 Feb 2019 01:13
  • Discussion started by J4ck
  • United Kingdom
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Amazon bought Maxwell Supercapacitor,
  • Posted 25 Aug 2019 17:33
  • Reply by exalt
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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I think a combination of both is more likely.
  • Posted 23 Aug 2019 22:12
  • Reply by heightlift
  • North, United Kingdom
Super capacitors?
  • Posted 23 Aug 2019 21:41
  • Reply by Yidneck
  • N.Y.
Dreamt I was fixing a machine, then came the paperwork and it turned into a nightmare.
From what i understand, lithium iron phosphate batteries which are being used by most manufactures now only give of steam when damaged.

Lithium ion is being driven by the automotive industry and there is many companies investing heavily in battery technology. Solid state batteries etc. Batteries are evolving very fast now.

Batteries are the future but in what variant?
  • Posted 23 Aug 2019 20:19
  • Reply by heightlift
  • North, United Kingdom
I agree with Yidneck lead Acid are better for electric forklifts at the moment, with possibly lead crystal or nickle zinc added some time in the future. The IC engine is better for trucks working out side and big trucks. Its proven cost effective and engineers know how to fix they if there ever is a problem.


The fire at Ocado cost the company around $137 Million that a lot of money for a onboard charger setting fire to a plastic lid
  • Posted 17 Aug 2019 17:07
  • Modified 17 Aug 2019 17:13 by poster
  • Reply by exalt
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
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Bottom line after all innovation at the moment good ol lead acid with changing system is king. And IC engines still rule in automotive...
  • Posted 17 Aug 2019 00:24
  • Reply by Yidneck
  • N.Y.
Dreamt I was fixing a machine, then came the paperwork and it turned into a nightmare.
well to keep on topic here
In my professional opinion:

lithium was never a good choice for battery options, they are dangerous period, lithium is unstable.
IMO the ONLY reason Li-Ion was developed is because of their ability to 'fast charge' and their power range curves being better than lead acid. Thats about it
Consumers wanted a battery they could charge fast to turn the lift operation around quicker and eliminate the handling of batteries by having to change a battery, not to mention the extra cost of buying extra batteries in the first place.
The trade off being the risk/danger of fires and also the fact their recycleability being poor and lets not forget they are expensive, the downsides that imo are not worth what you get.
As for the future of them? unless engineers come up with a better solution i'm sure they will continue to push down this shaky path trying other pointless updates while consumers still have to deal with the instablity of lithium and fire hazards associated with it.
  • Posted 16 Aug 2019 23:10
  • Reply by swoop223
  • North Carolina, United States
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Both the robot and the manufacturer and Occado state that the fire was caused by an onboard charging unit setting fire to the plastic lid on the robot. No mention of a Li-Ion battery fire Dave. I take it your pointing out how dangerous Li-Ion is because your super truck uses different technology Dave??
  • Posted 16 Aug 2019 07:27
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Well that's plausible so the faulty on board charger fire caused the lithium iron battery to catch fire burning down the hole warehouse because the fire brigade could not bring the lithium iron battery fire under control.
  • Posted 16 Aug 2019 04:39
  • Reply by exalt
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
www.saudiexalt.com
Actually Dave according to the fire brigade report it was a faulty onboard charger that caused the fire at Ocado and talking to maintenance engineers I know who work on the site that's what they are saying too.
By the way Dave where's the super truck that said you were going to show the world in April?? It's august now and still no sign
  • Posted 15 Aug 2019 07:58
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
The two biggest issues with Lithium are one cost compared to lead acid they are much more expensive, and secondly the risk of fire if they are over charged Lithium can charge from say 20% - 80% very quickly, but after 80% charged this is where the case of a fire is more likely.



Lithium iron batteries could have caused a major fire earlier this year in a major warehouse in the UK. It is said that lithium iron batteries in a robot over heated and caused the fire. This was harder to put out when the fire brigade got there because they could not put out the lithium iron batteries in the equipment.

Having said this there will be a lot of development in graphene supercapacitors over the next couple of years and these could have the ability to over take both Hydrogen fuel cells and Lithium iron
  • Posted 11 Aug 2019 04:24
  • Modified 11 Aug 2019 04:25 by poster
  • Reply by exalt
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates
www.saudiexalt.com
Not saying that lithium is not the future, but if I remember correctly, Exalt made the same argument when Wal Mart bought into hydrogen fuel cells.
  • Posted 9 Aug 2019 07:38
  • Reply by Yidneck
  • N.Y.
Dreamt I was fixing a machine, then came the paperwork and it turned into a nightmare.
With the announcement of Menards (Major retailer in the USA) buying 600 lithium powered trucks, the reality is that lithium is here to stay. Likely more compelling than Fuel Cells at this point.
  • Posted 9 Aug 2019 02:45
  • Reply by arminius
  • California, United States
For somebody from Yorkshire Dave your English isn't very good
  • Posted 3 Jul 2019 08:46
  • Reply by lifter01
  • West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Do You know have much it would cost to dispose of old lithium iron batteries, and what regulations have to be followed
  • Posted 25 Jun 2019 04:31
  • Reply by exalt
  • Dubai, United Arab Emirates

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