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Discussion:  Crown Being Sued For Labor Practices?
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CSCFR
California, United States

 		OK, who got "the letter" in the mail? What does is say?

The way I understand it, Crown is being sued in California for not paying overtime, not paying for hours worked, not providing breaks and lunches and so on.

Who's got details?

Posted 13 Jan 2011 02:53 PM Reply  Report this message
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johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		Ask Rhonna Barret, a one time rumor merchant, from California.

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Posted 13 Jan 2011 10:07 PM Reply  Report this message
Miloslouis
California, United States 		Heard the same thing today from a very good source.....Let's see how this turns out....can't wait to hear the details!!

Posted 14 Jan 2011 02:19 PM Reply  Report this message
Hush_HushTech
California, United States

 		I work at one of the California Crown branches which I will not mention to protect my identity. I have had 4 of my fellow Crown tech's mentioned this letter to me, so I went to check my mail and there it was.... Sounds like all crown tech's are being sent this letter. My favorite part of this letter is the following:
Crown vigorously denies the validity of the claims brought in the lawsuit and has retained attorneys in California to defend it. Crown does not believe that the allegations are true regarding either the two plaintiffs who brought the lawsuit or any Filed Service Technicians in California.

I love how they denie the allegations. The only thing that comes to my mind is when I was told that I could not bill more than 12 hours in a day and had to transfer the time to my time card of the following day...... Isnt this illegal, shouldn't I have gotten paid double time for this???

Oh yeah! and the whole , you have an hour lunch but "You need to be at your next customer's location by the time you finish lunch" ....that one is good. So if I am 1/2 an hour away I technically only have a half hour lunch and then I am driving....... Some how I feel as this is what they deserve.

Posted 14 Jan 2011 04:20 PM Reply  Report this message
chuck_m
Illinois, United States 		In Illinois overtime has to be paid after 40hrs a week not 8 in a day, but to transfer to a different time card does not seem like a good pratice.

Posted 15 Jan 2011 01:50 PM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
South Carolina, United States

 		IANL, but I would bet the 12 hour limit is put on by the insurance company, since after that many working hours, there is a generally accepted idea that tired people make more mistakes. The "overtime after 40 hours per calender week" is a US federal wage requirement, and the feds want their cut of the 1.5 wage/time as tax, and if California has a state income tax, then California will want their cut too.

Instructing an employee to "transfer time" is committing fraud in business documents, and is/should not be allowed. If the management put these instructions in writing, that might be a letter to keep safe and clean somewhere, it may come in handy later.
If you have to sign or login with a password for something, [like your time card or other business and money related thing,] your signature [or your private password] is you agreeing to the honesty of the document, and if you are moving the facts around so they are no longer true facts, it seems to me that a reasonable person would consider that to be fraud.

I would also bet that Crown Inc. will toss a couple of managers under the bus for specific instances that may be proved, and deny that it was a corporate policy to bill a customer for time that no employee was paid for.
While I don't know enough to make any sort of guesses about this particular instance, I wonder if a reasonable person (who had followed all the other complaints as to how Crown Inc treated employees) if they may not come to a conclusion that the corporate attitude was what empowered those particular managers [who will get or already have been thrown under the bus] to think they could/should ignore the wage and hour rules for employees under their supervision?

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Modified 16 Jan 2011 00:57 AM
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tomas_s
Bahamas, Bahamas, The 		After reading this it really makes me happy as when I worked for CROWN those shady labor practices where a common occurence. I dont wish hateful things to people but I hope CROWN gets what they have coming to them. Quiting that company is the best thing I did after 12 years there and I talk to the techs. who still work there and it has only gotten worse and seems like a nasty company to work for.

Posted 18 Jan 2011 10:14 AM Reply  Report this message
tomas_s
Bahamas, Bahamas, The 		Just to show how great of a company CROWN is (insert sarcasim) just go to the Jobs & Resumes section and look at how many job openings there are. There are opening at multiple branchs accross the nation and CROWN has the most post in that section than anyone else. My advise to the younger group is get hired on at Crown, get your training and experience for 5 years then move onto another company and make some real money.

Posted 26 Feb 2011 01:17 PM Reply  Report this message
Miloslouis
California, United States 		Tomas, great insight to what Crown is going through right now. Unfortunately, if I remember right, Crown makes “new hires” sign a “technician agreement” that says they can’t not be hired, trained, then quit to work for a competitor for at least 12 months after termination. But, that’s just part of the smoke and mirrors played on the employees throughout the company. I love the way Crown feels they can control the lives of hard working people and treat employees that they should be privileged to work for them. I believe they have a long road to recovery and hope the best for the remaining employees who work for them.

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Posted 26 Feb 2011 02:00 PM Reply  Report this message
tomas_s
Bahamas, Bahamas, The 		The smoke and mirrors effect you speak of is just that. I know one guy who left crown on good terms to go to another company and he had no problem. He did not tell them that he was going to a competitor but just leaving crown for personal reasons. He also told me that he got legal advise before leaving and being that California is a free enterprise for buisness there is nothing legally Crown can do if someone wants to leave a company and move onto another.

Posted 27 Feb 2011 09:32 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		It is difficult for a company to enforce a "no compete clause" in an employment contract for the most part, especially the average Joe.  Most enforcements would apply to top level executives which have contracts written in volumes.

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Posted 28 Feb 2011 10:11 AM Reply  Report this message
KevA
California, United States 		Edward T- You hit the nail completley on the head. Throwing managers under the bus is common for this company when they were "forced" to heed corporate and regional management expectations. And OMG! don't bring up the "stress" issue  If you so much as give an impression that you are concerned or request assistance about your colleagues well being in this and other areas, you are ostracized, accused of fostering an uprising, have other false charges placed upon you, and then you are terminated. Sends a powerful message in which they are proud of.

Posted 9 Jul 2011 07:20 AM Reply  Report this message
chublil
California, United States

 		Makes me a little hesitant purchasing Crowns with all this brewhaha floating around. Come on Crown Corporate, do the right thing and take care of the people who take care of your customers!!

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Posted 22 Jul 2011 06:40 PM Reply  Report this message
pipefab
Texas, United States 		Wow, looks like they must have hired some of the x-wal-mart corp. people to run the company.

Posted 23 Jul 2011 05:15 PM Reply  Report this message
KevA
California, United States 		As far as I know they have the same incompetent Two-Buck Chuckaholics. I think Walmart would be an upgrade. Field Techs at this company have always been treated like dirt and right now the Techs are the backbone of the operation. They think they can be replaced like the machines in their factory. It used to be a good company with family values being fore-front. But tweedle dee and tweedle dum back there in Ohio have ruined that. Someone told me recently that you can sterilize something to the point that nothing can live in it. One day, there will be a mass exodus from that place and they won't know what hit them.

Posted 5 Aug 2011 11:58 AM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
South Carolina, United States

 		wishful thinking there KevA?
Your memories of; "used to be a good company with family values being fore-front" are more wishful or not having been looking in the right spot at the right time.
(ignorance is bliss, and I am blistered all over).
As far as I am concerned, none of this is new, and/or specific to Crown Inc. I think there may be a more efficient method of preventing the rest of the world from finding out about this sort of dirty laundry, (sue fast, sue often and use SLAPP suits when ever the question/need/desire arises) and I would bet some of Crown's competitors have worked out that better method to hide the 'peanut butter' stains in their undergarments, but they all have the same stains, some have just managed to keep it out of _these_ pages, -so far-.  

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Modified 9 Aug 2011 07:55 AM
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Budman
Alabama, United States

 		I work for a company that is a Crown Dealer, among other brands. As a Manufacturer, Crown makes an excelent product. Can't tell you what it's like working for a Crown Factory store, but can say I've been with my company for 24 yrs. and this might hurt the Crown Factory store image, but the Crown product and the dealer I work for is solid. All prospectivre customers should do their due dilligence when looking to purchase a lift, no matter what brand. Look at the dealer that will be servicing you.

Posted 12 Aug 2011 01:03 AM Reply  Report this message
KevA
California, United States 		You bet it's wishful thinking Edward T.  It's too bad only part of your comment hit the front page of the newsletter. The dirty laundry and the people that wear them at that company need to come out of their hiding place as that is where most of the problems lie. Like said before, some poor s.o.b. manager will take the fall. The "Corp" doesn't make mistakes. They do make a good truck. They do however, charge handsomely for it.

Posted 13 Aug 2011 12:24 AM Reply  Report this message
roadtek
Massachusetts, United States

 		Budman; I agree with you 100% and could copy your post word for word except I'm with my company ( non factory store) 22 years!

Posted 15 Aug 2011 10:11 PM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
South Carolina, United States

 		as I see it, budman and roadtec, you guys (15+ years with NON-factory Crown dealers) are the ones with absolutely the most to loose over some of Crown Inc. practices in dealing with employees; should Crown decide they like the location or have any other reason (dealer principal gets terminally ill? ) to want to control your geographic area of responsibility. It has been my understanding that Crown Inc.s 'written in stone' rules over converting an independent to a factory store say that you guys are the ones that loose all the benefits your time with the company accrued, since you suddenly become a new employee of Crown Inc. and no longer are entitled to all that vacation and your pay scale goes down to that of a new employee, and if you complain, you are allowed to leave ASAP, but not return. I am pretty sure that your dealership "being solid" is any kind of protection from Crown Inc., should they find a reason (good profits? nice weather in the winter?) they want to control your area.  Good luck. Maybe it is different for different dealers in different locations or with different contracts or negotiations or state laws to protect franchise holders differently.    

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Posted 16 Aug 2011 09:30 PM Reply  Report this message
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