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Discussion:  Did Paycuts finance the Crown C5 R&D??
Number of messages: 54
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KevA
California, United States 		It's not that hard to kick the doors down. I know of two regions in the network where all you have to do is answer the service call and speak to the customer you are ahead of the game. By the way, my genes fought on the other side and against the 3rd Reich.
I applaud any tech that leaves to better themselves if their present employer can't step up. Very soon, there will not be enough tenured techs left to carry on the "we provide the best service"claim. The tenured guys you refer to have either been screwed over one too many times or are tired of what they are doing and should get out. For those who still enjoy what they are doing are worth their weight in gold. Any manager that doesn't realize that is a wanna be. I know there are still companies out there with that philosophy and if I choose to locate that company in this industry, that's my business.

Posted 12 Aug 2010 06:46 AM Reply  Report this message
KevA
California, United States 		Amen to that, Dr Know!!

Posted 12 Aug 2010 06:47 AM Reply  Report this message
edward_t
South Carolina, United States

 		and Chub, as far as how a mom and pop make it?
Have you ever considered the overhead in brand name dealership? One of the main the reasons the brand name dealerships are claiming they not making it [like the gold mine this industry should be], is because they haven't wanted to draw line and look at "production vs non-production" personnel, for fear of what they see in the mirror.

it's 'pick on Chublil day', in case you didn't get the memo.

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Posted 12 Aug 2010 12:05 AM Reply  Report this message
fred_d
Georgia, United States 		sorry about the double post.

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fred_d
Georgia, United States 		deleted

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DAVE160
yorkshire, United Kingdom 		One off the main points is all manufactures have to have development to be competitive Crown have entered a new market with there gas truck how much this has cost to develop will be down to Crown. Some time it might cost a lot some times it might cost not that much. But there will all ways be cost's involved. The person who started this asked did was R&D financed by pay cust at crown the answer really is no it saved jobs because with out new products or entering into new markets like crown have done then ultimately the company loses market share and then job's go. Crown know that there is a market cross over to IC truck in there chosen area so they have developed a truck . How good this truck is time will only tell.   When you look at other Crown areas like Asia they badge Doosan trucks to Crown

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CSCFR
California, United States

 		KevA wrote - "Jerry from SAC- is that you?"


Kevin from LB, is that you? PM me cscforkliftrepair at gmail
Posted 17 Sep 2010 01:02 PM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		Left Crown 10 years ago. Guess I got out in the knick of time. Yes, I am making way more coin, with less stress. Mother Crown has brainwashed everyone. If you have the skills and know how, get out now, there are plenty of options for your skills, talent, and expertise, versus staying in a stressful, low paying company that does not value your talents. If you want to worship New Bremen, just watch "The Truman Show" movie starring Jim Carrey, they are both a mythic fantasy world.

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Reliability and Dependability is the Key to Success.

Posted 27 Oct 2010 01:44 PM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		The pay cuts continue to keep the Dicke's lifestyle intact. Private Jets, Extravagent lifestyles, with an appetite for the Good Life. The "Dragon" still needs to Eat, so you cut off the tail (Pay cut #1), cutoff the legs, one at a time (No more 401k contributions, Pay cut #2, Increase your cost for benifits) But you can't cutoff the Head, as the Dragon (the Dicke's) need to keep the Extravagent lifestyle. New Bremen is the Kingdom and the Dicke's rule the Kingdom. Now the market recovers and you get one take away back. Bet you don't see the other Pay cut returned until 2011 (maybe). Then you won't see a raise for ?????

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Posted 27 Oct 2010 01:58 PM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		Glad to see that more of rank and file has learned that Crown doesn't care about or value it's workforce. You are now free to get the word out to others. They have lost their way, and you have realized that they are on the same road that Clark took 25 years ago. Arrogance breeds just more arrogance.

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Posted 27 Oct 2010 02:03 PM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		Crown has lost their way and many of the employees that they valued 20 years ago. Arrogance will slowly kill their former reputation. Another Clark, just 25 years later.

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Posted 27 Oct 2010 02:06 PM Reply  Report this message
chublil
California, United States

 		Bob m, sorry you had such a crappy experience with the Crown boys. I applied to the SoCal location about 7 years ago, glad I did not get the job. It takes good people to man an organisation and if Crown chooses to go the corporate route, I can only agree with you on the Clark statement.

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Posted 27 Oct 2010 07:25 PM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		Don't get me wrong, I was there for 18 years and loved my time at Crown as a valued employee. Dicke III came on board and things changed for the worse. You know what they say, the 3rd generation did not have to put in the Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Greed and Ego are a nasty thing. "Jimmy Three Sticks" has not earned it like Jim I & Jim II. A Sad Story for sure.

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Posted 28 Oct 2010 02:44 AM Reply  Report this message
PartsGuy
Georgia, United States 		Oh wow to all the off topic posts. Like this is a kiddie u tobe video comment list.  :)
Anyway. Of course they used the pay cut to finance the C5 and the new super secret reach truck. From my standpoint at the bottom of the ladder (where all the **** lands) they made no secret what the pay cuts were for. To maintain growth and keep jobs in a down economy. That means R&D.

Posted 30 Oct 2010 00:12 AM Reply  Report this message
bob_m
California, United States 		Oh Please, both of these projects were in going in R&D for at least 10 years. Way before your paycuts. If you want to think that your pay cuts and take aways are for the RM6000 and C5 delelopment, then you are kidding yourself. The paycuts happened back in the late 80's and early 90's at Crown, the same way as these last one's. The Dicke/Dragon will still eat it's share while the line workers can work harder and go hungry. Greed and Ego, are the nastiest to the bottom of the food chain.

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Posted 30 Oct 2010 00:44 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		Just a simple observation on the C5 funding pay cuts.  I understand Crowned opened a new facility to produce the C5 & also employed additional folks to run, build them & ship them & receive parts, probably added design engineers (w/ICE backgrounds) to develop them/test them etc etc, etc.   And will continue to hire more as they expand the ICE line.
I don't work for Crown, but any one knows it takes more to build a forklift  than eat steel wool & simply pass one.

I believe that R & D costs can be spread over several years (accounting wise) unless Obama took that away too!

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Daveilift
west yorks, United Kingdom 		the cost to develop a forklift can very but the extra people needed like Jonnr.j pointed out can out way this. Crown have seen companies like Linde, junghienrich,Toyota enter it's core market of warehouse equipment. It had two choices one to sit a do nothing just let the competitors come in and take away business .Or two develop new products away for its core business and enter new markets,Like any other manufacture who is looking for long term servile Crown choice was to develop . The cost of this will probably pay for it's self over several years but the benefits to Crown and Crown employees will be much greater .

Posted 30 Oct 2010 05:02 PM Reply  Report this message
chublil
California, United States

 		I got one  for all of you, why the heck did John Deere decide to buy Toyota forklifts instead of Crown?

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Posted 31 Oct 2010 10:58 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		Would need more infomation before I could provide a SWAG on that?.
Like what type of trucks & lift capacities did JD buy and specs.   Possibly since Crown has a limited lien of IC & electric sitdowns vs Toyota this could be a factor.  
How were they acquired - cash, lease (FMV) or $1.00 buyout & term.   If ICE 4-6k cushions were purchased - I hear that the Crown unit has a hefty price.
Where was the purchase decision made?  Locally or in Iowa?

I'm certain JD like all other companies (and many folks too) are struggling to keep their checkbook balanced and price/monthly payment/maintenace agreement costs/etc would be a consideration.  JD recently closed a SE regional Parts Distribution center near where I live - I real good sign they can't spend like drunken sailors

Posted 31 Oct 2010 09:43 PM Reply  Report this message
Daveilift
west yorks, United Kingdom 		Like johnr.j points out there could be a number of reason's that JD bought Toyota, but what would be interesting is what they buy in the future.

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