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FLT Refreshers

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ZZJASEZZ
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

I`m comming up to do my 1st lot of refreshers.I train on Counterbalance and Reach truck.As you may know by now i`m a in-house instructor.
So i`m planning on 1 day for each truck(3 trainees) do you think this is too long ?
If a driver can drive both trucks can i refresh him on just the one truck to cover both.
Will i have to test on both with theory and practical tests.
Cant see much info about this in my manuals.I`ve got a good idea but would like a second opinion.
Thanks....

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ITSSAR F.L.T INSTRUCTOR

Modified 23 Apr 2008 04:33 PM
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dan_m
Ontario, Canada

I would do the refresher on both.  I would also do a scaled down version of the initial written tests on each truck.  Also, I would have them replicate their day-to-day duties on both trucks as well, during the practical.  They have been driving for some time now and have not killed themselves yet so I would not bother spending an entire day refreshing.  According to our old CSA guidlines in Canada, 8 hours was the supposed norm for initial theory, but only 4 hours on the refresher.

Now, I am assuming that these refreshers are first-time 'refreshers' after the initial training.  I would spend the morning on both machines, battery, break for lunch, propane if required, write scaled down tests, and then watch them drive.  6 hours at the max, even as little as 5 hours, but not a full 8 hours.  remember, you have taught this stuff to them previously, and now you are just topping up, or reminding them on certain items that they may  have forgotten, or they have become complacent.

The crunch comes when they are 3rd time refreshers, and they know what to do, and have not gotten into any incidents, and are very good at what they do.  Now, what can you teach them, that doesn't sound like a broken record, and maintain their interests at the same time.

Danny

Posted 24 Apr 2008 08:48 AM

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ZZJASEZZ
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

R.E

The crunch comes when they are 3rd time refreshers, and they know what to do, and have not gotten into any incidents, and are very good at what they do. Now, what can you teach them, that doesn't sound like a broken record, and maintain their interests at the same time.

Thanks for your advise Dan.As you have stated above some of the drivers have been driving over 10 years and a feW over 15. I`m just trying to get a balance i dont want to make it look as if i`m training them how to *** eggs.

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ITSSAR F.L.T INSTRUCTOR

Posted 24 Apr 2008 03:24 PM

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TC17
Wisconsin, United States

Are you talking refreasher training or re-evaluation training. There is a difference. Refresher training is for drivers that have had near misses, had accidents, or there is a change in the way product is handled. Re-evaluations are conducted every three years for everyone that has a certification, including the instructors.

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Wisconsin, USA
"Be safe"

Posted 24 Apr 2008 11:07 PM

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ZZJASEZZ
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

R.E
Re-evaluations are conducted every three years for everyone that has a certification, including the instructors.

Never heard it being called that before allways known it to be a refresher.
We have drivers that have had near missis and accidents and they are put through an assessment,which has a simalar meaning to re-evaluation,i would have said it was the other way round TC17

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Posted 24 Apr 2008 11:21 PM

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dan_m
Ontario, Canada

TC17
I would stronlgy assume that this is there 3 year mandatory refresher training to maintain their skills, and try to keep these long timers from becoming too complacement.

ZZ
This is what I have done for 3rd time rerefreshers that won't see like ***eggs.
Go the fun at work page on this site. Take the crazy pics of people on motorcycles 'n trucks and trains, then interpret them into forklift safety. eg the 3, or 5 people on the motorcycle is 'forklift 1 seat 1 person'. There's a pic of 2 guys with some wire/metal frame of some sort, on a scooter, holding it over their shoulders. Use that pic to discuss the dangers of oversized loads. Get my drift. I do not know how you present your material but I use PowerPoint and include these pics into the presentation.

There's tonz of pics on the net as well, and if you think outside the box, you can interpret these pics to relate to forklift safety. They'll love you for it, and you don't sound like a broken record.

Posted 24 Apr 2008 11:34 PM

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ZZJASEZZ
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

Thats a great idea dan i will do that.

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ITSSAR F.L.T INSTRUCTOR

Posted 25 Apr 2008 00:07 AM

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MaxaM60
Bristol, United Kingdom

At this time in the UK there is no mandatory period that operators have to undergo refresher training, though Instructors have to undergo re-registration every 5 years.

Individual companies can have a refresher training period as company policy or if their insurance company insists on this.

The HSE publication (HSG 136)(workplace transport) states that the Health and Safety Executive strongly recommend that operators undergo a period of refresher training every 3 or 5 years. Technically if an operator fails a test after refresher training no-one has the authority to revoke his certificate, But the employer has the option of withdrawing the operators authority to operate their machines.

You have to ask yourself if your refresher training is aimed at the operator passing the test again OR does he have the skills and attitude towards safety to operate in the workplace.

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Instructor, RTITB Tutor, ITSSAR Cat' 4 Tutor

Posted 16 May 2008 01:03 AM

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MaxaM60
Bristol, United Kingdom

P.s If you wo to [url/email removed] you can download free of charge a short film about a fork lift accident involving Nick Perry. I show this film to all my trainees whether its basic operator, instructor or refresher training ....... the room is usually silent when the film ends.

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Instructor, RTITB Tutor, ITSSAR Cat' 4 Tutor

Posted 16 May 2008 01:08 AM

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dan_m
Ontario, Canada

url removed. please spell out the address with dot instead of .

Posted 16 May 2008 01:11 AM

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MaxaM60
Bristol, United Kingdom

ok :-) url is www dot worksafebc dot com

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Instructor, RTITB Tutor, ITSSAR Cat' 4 Tutor

Posted 16 May 2008 01:46 AM

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ZZJASEZZ
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

Some good clips on there to download max.Some of the drivers at my depot dont bother putting the seat bealt on,think showing this clip will make them think twice.

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ITSSAR F.L.T INSTRUCTOR

Posted 19 May 2008 04:26 AM

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TC17
Wisconsin, United States

It has been a while since I have been here, I like to get here and read the comments and take with me some new ideas, but things do not always allow me to get here as often as I would like. Here is my info on refresher vs reevaluations....

OSHA Reg 1910.178(l)(4)(i) thru 1910.178(l)(4)(ii)(E) talks about refresher training
OSHA Reg 1910.178(l)(4)(iii) talks about evaluations......

Now this is the format we use in the states, we actually do our refreshers and reevaluations differently...but the main goal is to make sure that our operators are doing their jobs correctly and in a safe manner.

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Wisconsin, USA
"Be safe"

Posted 18 Jul 2008 02:00 AM

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gazb
BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, United Kingdom

Hi The L117 is very vauge in this area but I would do the required 7.5 hrs for 3 trainees per truck. thats 2 days. have you got any guidance from Lynda Dobson at ITSSAR? might be worth a try.

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gazb

Posted 18 Nov 2008 07:53 AM

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