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Forum: Industry News & Whispers
Discussion:  CROWN LIFTS IS GOING IC ????
Number of messages: 58
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Alabama
Illinois, United States 		Did you like that?  It's always good to stir it up a little with all the Crown lovers.  Crown knows they cant compete with Toyota sit down electrics and especially IC, with a john deere motor,,,cmon.  Look at the ITA numbers, Toyota is number 1 for a reason.  I know a lot of Crown Techs who hate anything to do with IC trucks, some Crown Techs, not all but some are just like the Raymond techs, They hate getting dirty and only want to work on electric trucks.  If it's not a Crown they dont like working on it, especially in Chicago land.  Now remember I said some Crown Techs and they know who they are, I also know some very talented Crown Techs that are class acts.  So before i get the beat down from all the Crown guys, just remember what I have said and dont take it out of context.  Also what i am saying I heve either seen or heard from the Crown techs themselves.  In the Chicagoland area I always hear from the Crown guys and how crappy they are treated, being tracked constantly, no raises and the list goes on.  I'm just callin it how I have seen it.  Sorry if I pissed anyone off, But Toyota is one Linde is two, wheres Crown?  I'm not sure.

Posted 4 Jan 2008 01:21 AM Reply  Report this message
joeseph_b
California, United States 		Crown hired an IC guy from Komatsu 1.5 years ago or more and tried to get an agreement stamped out with Komatsu to PL the trucks under the Crown name as Crown does with Doosan outside the USA.
1. I am positive Crown would not be the OEM, too risky.
2. I think this move is a poor decision, which will bring some red to their comfortable black.
3. Although Crown dealerships carry IC trucks and attempt to sell along with the ELTs ---  IC and ELTs are two completely different animals.
4. The US market is already too saturated with IC OEMs/brands.
5. Crown should stick to what has made them great; I'm am sure this is a direct knee-jerk reaction to Toyota purchasing Raymond. Raymond dealers now have an association with the best selling IC company/trucks in the US and Crown currently has nothing.
Posted 4 Jan 2008 02:27 AM Reply  Report this message
Alabama
Illinois, United States 		I agree with  what your saying Joe, but you want get Crown to believe that.  The Crown guys that I know are good guys they just believe that Crown is the best and there is nothing better.  They have this chip on there shoulder and it's fun to get them worked up.

Posted 4 Jan 2008 02:52 AM Reply  Report this message
proshadetree
Tennessee, United States

 		Crown makes a good solid truck.Used to service a lot of them,now I just get the bugs out and let them roll.Lot of old crowns still running in this area,along with raymonds.Very few Toyotas and for the most part IC trucks
Dont care who made them as long as they keep breaking and giving me a job.

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"Work leads to profit, mere talk leads to poverty"

Posted 4 Jan 2008 11:10 AM Reply  Report this message
danny_k
Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom 		Just going back to earlier in the thread, Cesab(BT, part of Toyota) uses John Deere engines in its 4 ton up trucks.

Posted 4 Jan 2008 07:49 PM Reply  Report this message
GEOTHEMAN
Pennsylvania, United States

 		HEY pro i think the same way,,,on the quote,
Dont care who made them as long as they keep breaking and giving me a job.

Posted 10 Jan 2008 12:31 AM Reply  Report this message
proshadetree
Tennessee, United States

 		Newer trucks seem to require less and less service.We dont get the same amount of calls we were getting 10 years ago.We do how ever have a large customer base.The service end of thing are changing so are sales.Reguardless how tough they are I dont see them fixing themself.Woulnd be suprised to see a crown ic in the near future

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"Work leads to profit, mere talk leads to poverty"

Posted 10 Jan 2008 11:13 PM Reply  Report this message
Alabama
Illinois, United States 		I agree with you pro.  I have worked on all brands and they all fail at some point.  As Mechanics we all have some preference to the brand we like due to the design or ease of repairing it.  I like the Toyota, not because I think it's the best, it's just what i'm most familiar with.  With the new technology and all the software that is crammed in todays forklifts, it is making it difficult for the independent guys to make the repairs, unless you have some good friends at the dealers who will let you borrow their laptop or will give you info that is exclusive to the dealer.  I really dont care what brand it is, I get paid all the same.  I dont think Crown having an IC truck will help them initially, but down the road it could be good for them.  Crown is known for their narrow isle equipment and that is their bread and butter.  Since did not major in business, I'm sure the Crown executives see something I do not.

Posted 11 Jan 2008 00:57 AM Reply  Report this message
proshadetree
Tennessee, United States

 		More sales, more profit, and a good head start for customer base who only want crowns.Just like we all want just one type of truck so do some customers.As a salesman or tech we know A electric shares almost no parts with a ICE the name plate on the outside might help boost  sales but it had better be a great truck or sales will fall like a rock and might hurt the base they have now.Just my 2 cents.

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"Work leads to profit, mere talk leads to poverty"

Posted 11 Jan 2008 09:45 PM Reply  Report this message
Alabama
Illinois, United States 		I agree, it does benefit a dealer to be a turn key operation.  Most of the customers I have dealt with, desire  to have one company handle all their material handling needs.  Like you said Crown having an IC truck could hurt their customer base but I also look at it like this, I worked for Toyota for 9yrs.  Their sitdown trucks IC or electric were great but their reach and counterbalance truck sucked and that did not hurt their customer base they just dont sell alot of those trucks.  I think Crown could get into the same situation, IF their IC truck happens to ***, not saying that it will but if it does, i dont think it will hurt their narrow isle truck sales, But all eyes will be on the new crown ic truck so initially it could be shakey ground.  I also think Crown will put a lot of quality in this IC truck since it will be their first one to debut.  If you look at the past model or series of any brand, the earlier forklifts were more durable and reliable and built more heavy duty than the later model trucks that are coming out now.  With that said I think Crown will put a lot of emphasis on thier first IC truck.  We will see.

Posted 12 Jan 2008 01:29 AM Reply  Report this message
roadtek
Massachusetts, United States

 		You guys might want to check out wwwcrown.com for the IC news of the day. From what I am told this is part 1. Haven't a clue what part 2 is yet.

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A lift truck tech since the first sliced bread
( well ok , around 1978 ) and learning every day !

Posted 12 Jan 2008 09:52 AM Reply  Report this message
liftpopguy
Ohio, United States 		I checked this out, and can tell you that is not the lift I seen. I have talked with the Crow Technician who is supporting the beta trials of there ice truck. It is a Crown made unit with Deere power plant look for it late this year. Trust me!

Posted 13 Jan 2008 04:19 AM Reply  Report this message
roadtek
Massachusetts, United States

 		You are correct liftpopguy. However, untill the truck in question gets final approval ( and we know it can take years for Crown to go from beta to production ) they are mating with Komatsu the " Hamech " line.

Posted 15 Jan 2008 03:23 AM Reply  Report this message
Platinum08
Oklahoma, United States 		It will be the komatsu trucks, they have made an announcement

Posted 16 Jan 2008 05:05 AM Reply  Report this message
Truck_Tech
United States

 		Your rumor of the Crown built IC trucks were also unofficially confirmed. They admitted to having 100 Crown built proto types across the country.

Will start with 4-6000lb. Won't be released until early 2009,provided no real problems with current proto types. Will still use Komatsu for anything outside this product range.
Modified 18 Jan 2008 09:39 AM
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herb_j
Colorado, United States 		When was the last time Crown ever failed at anything that they have come to market with.  Who knows what they are up to but you an count on those boys being some tough competition.  My money is on Crown.

Posted 8 Feb 2008 01:59 PM Reply  Report this message
nomo010
North Carolina, United States 		Everyone is sort of right... Why would anyone here know that Crown hasnt released the RST w/ the JD engine?  The Hamech deal is not putting all your eggs in one propane tank.  R&D still goes on, among other things you know nothing about and they still sell an IC truck.

Posted 10 Feb 2008 03:15 PM Reply  Report this message
Drlifttruck
Texas, United States 		Ever hear of Deere Hitach?, Guess who is 50% stockholder of Derre Co. (John Deere)

Hitachi Construction   AKA another Japaneese Company.

Google this    "President Bush Visits U.S.-based Deere-Hitachi Construction Machinery"

Have a nice day!

Doc
Posted 11 Feb 2008 10:56 AM Reply  Report this message
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