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Forum: Industry News & Whispers
Discussion:  CROWN LIFTS IS GOING IC ????
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liftpopguy
Ohio, United States 		The ongoing question if Crown will ever introduce a IC lift truck has been answered? I seen three unusual IC lift at a facility today. My first glance at a IC lift that had alot of Crowns modern day FC electric counterbalance look. It was a prototype called the RTS-50. The thing just looked like a CROWN no doubt. It had a John Deere power plant. Very deisel looking the valve cover was almost a foot wide. The engine was running on propane, but even sounds like a deisel. The truck looked very basic somewhat like a KOMATSU (nothing to fancy very common place machine) Some say Crown has been working on this for years. Looks like it is almost hear. Word is the lift is being built in there Indiana facility with production to start very soon. Is it to late for Crown IC indeavor? As I drove away from this facility this question kept coming to mind, because of the company just down the street. Plug Power motive power division. The hydrogen fuel cell people. I was a very short distance (15 miles) from Crowns New Bremen, Ohio headquarters. Plug power has two marketing people from Crown. Times might be tough, but Crown Lift Trucks has got more going on than you can imagine. Good Luck to all.

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batman
Pennsylvania, United States 		Crown has had an IC truck for some time now, just not in the US. However, I doubt if Crown will build their own truck. Crown builds a great electric truck and I doubt very much if they will divide their attention between building an IC and an electric. I would not be surprised to see a Crown IC truck built by Doosan (the company currently building their Asian truck) arrive in the US sometime next year. That would give Crown added value for their national accounts and they could push their dealers who have a dual dealerships for IC trucks to drop their second line and concentrate solely on the Crown product.

Posted 29 Nov 2007 01:24 PM Reply  Report this message
liftpopguy
Ohio, United States 		The lift truck I seen has nothing in common with Doosan. It has Crown writen all over it. Just wait and see. They are a very agressive company, and will be a number one sales contender.

Posted 30 Nov 2007 03:23 AM Reply  Report this message
TimJ
Ontario, Canada 		I had some info that Komatsu is building the IC units for Crown, just to give the US Crown dealers an option on IC trucks.

Crown would never build thier own units not worth it to them

Posted 30 Nov 2007 08:46 AM Reply  Report this message
liftpopguy
Ohio, United States 		I have to tell you I have some contacts within Crown organization. They will built and market an IC truck very soon. This will be soley CROWN.

Posted 30 Nov 2007 10:56 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		liftpopguy is right on the money.  Crown will introduce and manufacture there own ICE engine design & the units are scheduled to be built in Indiana.  I personally know the marketing guy at Crown that is in charge of the program.

Rigt now Crown is buying trucks thru Komatsu (the Tusk brand) & Doosan.

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Posted 1 Dec 2007 00:31 AM Reply  Report this message
TimJ
Ontario, Canada 		if that is the case what engine will they use? Nissan like everyone else.
Posted 1 Dec 2007 00:43 AM Reply  Report this message
johnr_j
Georgia, United States 		timj -  i can't say for sure what engine it will be but it was indicated in the first post that the engine will be from John Deere

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Posted 1 Dec 2007 07:49 AM Reply  Report this message
batman
Pennsylvania, United States 		I would be suprised to see a John Deere engine in anything other than John Deere equipment. However, it would give Crown a "made in USA" truck that is actually made in the USA with US parts. What an angle that would be!

Posted 1 Dec 2007 08:34 AM Reply  Report this message
tateo_i
Tokyo, Japan 		Hi you all,

Both Hyster/Fortis and Yale/Veracitor could have been Crown's closest benchmark for their newly coming IC range development. These two US brands employed a traction control system designed by Phoenix International.

Crown also followed this advanced traction control concept from John Deere subsidiary, I can easily imagine.

As Fortis (Fortens) & Veracitor have on board Mazda and GM LP engines, Crown to source their IC engine from John Deere, I guess. This is also good for differentiating Hyster and Yale, their US forerunners.

Let's wait and see.........

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Posted 4 Dec 2007 04:51 PM Reply  Report this message
Liftdoctor
Indiana, United States 		It is hard for me to imagine that John Deere would develop an engine just for IC lifts.   I can't think of anything else that John Deere makes that they could use this engine for that would fit in your typical 5000# capacity LP gas truck.  The Nissan engine is used in Tusk, Komatsu, Nissan, and even Caterpillar/Mitsubishi trucks.   The development costs for an engine to meet the new EPA standards is high.  You have to sell a lot of to pay for your investment.

Posted 14 Dec 2007 01:00 PM Reply  Report this message
batman
Pennsylvania, United States 		I agree. There will not be a John Deere engine in any lift truck any time in the near future and if Crown introduces an IC truck in 2008, which I think they will, it will not be manufactured by them [Crown] but by Komatsu or Doosan. That could open the door for Komatsu or Doosan (or whoever builds the Crown IC) to have Crown private label Class II trucks for whoever they partner with.

Posted 14 Dec 2007 01:36 PM Reply  Report this message
proshadetree
Tennessee, United States

 		Raymond is selling Tusk in Tennessee.Will Crown have them make a Crown truck?Sounds funky to me but stranger things have happened.CAT/RAYMOND and Cat/Nissan.Crown/Tusk maybe next.

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Posted 15 Dec 2007 09:44 PM Reply  Report this message
hybidder
Arkansas, United States 		"However, it would give Crown a "made in USA" truck that is actually made in the USA with US parts."

Sorry to say that wouldn't be the case even with a JD engine.  I bought a new JD 7220 a couple of years ago.  It was manufactured in England.  JD smaller diesel tractors (I think under 30 hp or so) are actually built by Yanmar.  Many of their small gasoline powered units use Kawasaki engines..  I'm sure there are still many products they manufacture in their American facilities but many parts are imported.

These days the only thing in this country that's 100% made in America are Americans and the tried and true Americans seem to be in short supply...Makes me miss John Wayne

Modified 16 Dec 2007 09:11 AM
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Toyotaman
Rhode Island, United States

 		Manitou uses JD diesels in some of their telehandlers. I think these are built in North Dakota.

Posted 16 Dec 2007 11:06 AM Reply  Report this message
oldmanforklift
Arizona, United States 		How about the old , early 70s ,Clark  UT with JD tractor chassies.  The whole mast side shifted on round bar on rear, ... front, ...  big wheel end of tractor.

Posted 23 Dec 2007 07:42 AM Reply  Report this message
Alabama
Illinois, United States 		I doubt they will ever be a number one contender in the IC market, look at Hyster, Clark, Yale, they havent been a number one contender in years and they have been in the IC arena for decades.  Rember Crown will have to beat out Toyota which makes a better sit down electric than Crown, I will say Crown makes better narrow isle equipment than Toyota.  But Crown will never be able to compete in the Sit down arena wether i'ts electric or IC.  I think Crown should be concerned about their ifostructure of their employees, lay offs raise freezes and etc.  It wont matter what number they are because they wont have anybody to work on them.  This is my opinion though so take it how you want.

Posted 4 Jan 2008 00:28 AM Reply  Report this message
Alabama
Illinois, United States 		Did you like that?  It's always good to stir it up a little with all the Crown lovers.  Crown knows they cant compete with Toyota sit down electrics and especially IC, with a john deere motor,,,cmon.  Look at the ITA numbers, Toyota is number 1 for a reason.  I know a lot of Crown Techs who hate anything to do with IC trucks, some Crown Techs, not all but some are just like the Raymond techs, They hate getting dirty and only want to work on electric trucks.  If it's not a Crown they dont like working on it, especially in Chicago land.  Now remember I said some Crown Techs and they know who they are, I also know some very talented Crown Techs that are class acts.  So before i get the beat down from all the Crown guys, just remember what I have said and dont take it out of context.  Also what i am saying I heve either seen or heard from the Crown techs themselves.  In the Chicagoland area I always hear from the Crown guys and how crappy they are treated, being tracked constantly, no raises and the list goes on.  I'm just callin it how I have seen it.  Sorry if I XXXXXXX anyone off, But Toyota is one Linde is two, wheres Crown?  I'm not sure.

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