JoeLiftTruck,

If this any consolation, I am a life long Detroit Lions Fan - grew up in the "Down River" area and the last time the Lions won a Championship was in Dec. 29, 1957 when they beat the Browns 59-14 (I was 14 then). I remain a "Deeetroit" Fan to this day.
But you must understand I enjoy having bamboo shoots shoved under my finger nails too.

Peace, Love & Harmony!!

Even in Australia we can see that was an amazing result. Cheers from Admin

In case you wanted to relive that moment.
Just removes the extra spaces.

www. youtube. com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U

johnr_j

As a life long Red Sox fan, your analogy really hurt! :) You brought me right back to that day.

malcolm 1. Wait 'til you reach my age I have none of those situations to deal with & I can't get a good night sleep either. And there is nothing good on the tube at 2:30 AM - go to bed about 10:30 PM and no mid day "power naps". Wake up the chickens so they can crow at dawns early light and sold all of our alarm clocks.
No I don't have to pee a lot - some of my friends do though.

I understand the NACCO mentality. Worked for Briggs Equipment out of Atlanta. Certainly was a numbers driven mentality from corporate in Dallas on down. Not a real fun environment.

Management spread too thin, leverage, stress, added overhead, limited help from NACCO, profit margins slim, market share being the driving force. Hard to get a good nights sleep with that combination.

Malcolm1,
There is still a Mr. Pruitt at Eastern Lift Truck. His first name is Dan and has been around prior to ELT taking on NACCO. Never met Dan but I feel confident the founder of ELT passed on his knowledge & put him thru his "special" training program as he did with Mike.

Before you jump to any conclusion you need to wait and see what real shakes out - lots of legal stuff to be sorted out over time. Now is the time for family consoling & healing not business.
A good thing to remember is "Rumor is just rumor and facts are facts. Never play the rumor card especially if you don't have 100% solid facts." And every forecaster of the future is always 100% correct when they look backwards at mega predictions they threw out.
BTW: No one ever predicted Bill Buckner's "Through The Legs" miscue in 1986.

With the passing of Mr. Pruitt at Eastern Lift....20/20 is great but did NACCO make a mistake with increasing their coverage and placing additional burden on Eastern just to have larger and fewer dealers? The former Hyster dealer in the area is moving in a slightly different direction and doing fine.

In North America Kion has very little market presence because they don't have a strong dealer network in place. Everyone else controls the rest Crown/ Toyota class 1 Raymond Class 2 and Nacco 3 and 4... My questions is why has Kion not moved some assembly/ dealer network to North America. I sell in Canada and they are never even thought of by customers.. I don't know how much success they can have until you put a strong network in place because between lead time, service, and price they lose every time..

Looking at market share mainly in North America i was very surprised to see on KION North America web site that KION market share in North America is only around one percent. So with taylor and Hyster taking a large share of the market over seven ton. who controls the rest

NACCO's dealer alignment continues....Pape in the Northwest will acquire Johnson Lift in LA and south for Hyster...the Yale dealers in that area should be getting nervous. NACCO looking at fewer dealers.

Macolm,

Mr Dougherty is retiring. He is selling the dealership to Gregory Poole. The Dougherty locations that fall into Lift One Hyster territories will be sold by GP to Lift One.
I know because I work at Dougherty. The changes are scheduled mid October.

I think it will get interesting for sure !

Lot of speculation and conjecture... but my prediction is, the more things change the more they stay the same. M

Unicarriers, while saddled with MBA types who know very little about materials handling (thus, making no impact on market share), is at the end of the day connected to a tremendous nameplate AND prolific engine manufacturer in Nissan. Despite their lack of expertise at the factory, they have a core group of strong, stable and loyal dealers.

MCFA, on the other hand, is populated by forward thinking, responsive and dedicated materials handling professionals; they're going nowhere... and candidly, watching what they're doing with the JH range of products (someone has actually finally made a run at and a dent in Crown's reach truck stranglehold, since Raymond has increasingly lagged do to lack of genuine long term interest by Toyota) has been entertaining to watch.

Both organizations have enviable dealer networks, and will continue to distribute productly independently and successfully through each, however comparing the two distribution channels is ludicrous... No one has a full line Cat dealers financial horse/staying/marketing power.

Modern dumps NACCO...they will be selling Hyundai, Terex Big Joe..hope they stick it to Eastern and NACCO.

Mits is accumulating lines and will bury them below the Cat/Mits products. Sounds like sour grapes defending them. Nissan,TCM,etc, don't really matter. They are history.